hey this is matt ting from peak frameworks and today we are going to talk about a couple of great roles in Finance that have a good work-life balance now it might
seem a little counter-intuitive to focus on jobs that have a good work-life balance and Finance but they definitely do exist i actually think it’s entirely possible to
be earning over 300 000 a year by your early 30s while also working less than 50 hours if you pick your spots right before i left my private Equity role in none;">Finance i definitely evaluated different jobs to see if there was a way to get a better life without compromising too much earning potential and that search brought me to a couple of key categories that i would strongly recommend if you want that kind of mix for yourself
it’s pretty easy to grind in your early 20s but by the time you’re in your early 30s you really start making a lot of life trade-offs and i think a transition to a more relaxing field can make a lot of sense now as we talk about these roles i want you to think about the following two
factors because i think this really explains a lot of the work-life balance that you’re going to have in pretty much any job in any industry and the first is business model and when we’re talking about business model we’re really talking about how the firm or the fund or the
company makes money what is the engine at work that really generates Revenue and Profits for the business are they doing a lot of deals do they manage a lot of Assets is it a transactions oriented business whatever the engine is is going to
directly impact your life for example in Investment Banking you would generally get compensated a percentage cut of however big the deal that you’re working on is so you’re incentivized to work on larger deals as well as a larger volume of deals as such you are
motivated to constantly be pitching businesses to win new deals and that can make your life particularly busy and if you work in a client service business model like law consulting Investment Banking or audit then you are kind of at the whims of your client as well if they want a
lot of deliverables over the weekend or they’re working on very short sprints then you’re also going to have to do a lot of weekend work so when you think about avoiding weekend work or having a predictable lifestyle think about the business model and the flow of work in that industry i
think the other main factor i would think about when evaluating roles is ownership expectations whatever the owners of the business or shareholders of the business expect is going to have a direct impact on how much stress you will have i think this is most obvious when you look at Hedge
Funds investors in Hedge Funds will get access to market data and essentially see how you’re doing on a daily basis a lot of investors in Hedge Funds also have the opportunity to withdraw their funds so that means if there’s a bad quarter or a
bad year then these investors might pull out and that would have severe impact to the fund that you’re working at if you want a lower stress life you essentially want to work at places where you know the money isn’t going anywhere you don’t have to constantly be worrying about how
you’re evaluated on a daily or quarterly basis with that being said the first category of roles i want to talk about that i think tend to have a better work life balance are at long only funds or mutual funds now long-only funds and mutual funds are technically still Hedge
Funds but they’re very distinct from the kind of lifestyle that you would get at a pod or a long short Equity fund those places tend to be quite a bit more intense as a result of their business model the amount of work that is required to effectively short businesses
is so dramatic that the lifestyle tends to be quite different now there is a trade-off you tend to get compensated a little bit more along short funds in exchange for that additional stress or time but for me personally i was more than happy to think about working at a long only fund many of the
largest asset managers like fidelity blackrock and vanguard all offer some kind of long only or mutual fund product and that’s essentially where you would work to work in this kind of role now when i think about the pros and cons i think the biggest pro for me is that the hedge fund world
still feels like pure Finance you’re still investing in businesses you get to learn about companies and follow trends and i think that’s what’s really
exciting about investing in general a lot of long-only funds often have a long time horizon as well so you get to think of the long-term perspective of these companies and again i think the main draw for me is that the culture and the hours seem to be a little bit better than other kinds of
Hedge Funds now i think the main con comparatively is that your earnings potential is generally going to be less these mutual funds often give less carry or less Equity than you would get at a long short fund additionally it’s still a stressful job
you’re still managing other people’s money it’s just that the culture is a little bit different generally so that you’re working less hours from a strategy standpoint one big con of long-only funds is that during bear bold; color: #1a73e8; text-decoration: none;">Markets they tend to do very poorly the main strength of these pods and long-short funds is that they can hedge their own risk during downtime long-only funds can only go long equities so during bear style="font-weight: bold; color: #1a73e8; text-decoration: none;">Markets
would probably pick a role like this the people i relate to the most that are still in the industry all took roles at these kind of long only funds so the next category we’re going to talk about i’m going to kind of cast a wide net but this includes pension funds family offices and
endowment funds now i was saying before that the type of Capital you have really impacts the kind of lifestyle you have and i think that’s the most true at these kinds of firms now if you think about a traditional fund whether it’s private Equity vc or
Hedge Funds you’re raising money from lots of different kinds of investors and thus you have to be subjected to them you might have to do quarterly Valuation or annual meetings and there’s generally a lot of upkeep when you have to raise new money
however think about how a pension fund or one of these other funds is structured they’re essentially getting pension payments from a diversified body of employees or people and that’s their source of Capital places like canada california and singapore all have huge
pension funds that are funded by their constituents so we’re talking about teachers employees and firemen that contribute some of their earnings that these pension funds get to invest and that’s much more stable than the alternative a family office is when a really rich person wants
someone to manage their money big examples would be places like msd Capital which is michael dell and soros family office and finally you have endowment funds places like harvard and yale have enormous endowment funds that are honestly larger than a lot of private
Equity firms and endowment funds are primarily funded by alumni so you can see how these sources of Capital are much more stable and if you work at one of these firms generally the culture is going to be much more relaxed much more manageable as i say this i think
the variance at family offices tends to be the widest family offices from what i’ve heard have a lot of key person risk so if the person at the top is extremely stressful or extremely difficult to work with then it would still probably be a bad overall time at that fund so i think the main
pro here is the Capital is extremely stable that tends to lead to a much lower attrition and generally better culture it’s also worth noting that a lot of pension funds have become some of the largest money managers in the world and that means they have a lot of sway in
different Markets places like cpp and ontario teachers pension plan often can co-invest alongside the best private Equity firms just by virtue of how much money they have and
the relationships they have with different firms and i think another great benefit of these kinds of firms is that they tend to be more geographically diverse most Hedge Funds and private Equity firms and venture Capital firms are either in new
york or san francisco when you think about the north american landscape however what if you’re from alaska or alberta there might not be a lot of other options for you if you want to go back home and you’re from these places however there are pension funds in these locations that can be
very strong employers i think the primary con here is that earning potential tends to be quite a bit lower particularly at pension funds you know you don’t want to take too much money from these retirees and these pensioners and as such you often don’t get as much
Equity or carry that you would given your seniority also note that the job you do at these firms is not fundamentally different from working at another investment firm or buy side firm but what is different is the structure of your job and the source of Capital and
i think that’s a pretty important observation now the third category of jobs which i still think has relatively strong earnings potential and a good lifestyle is investor relations and business development i’m more specifically thinking of investor relations teams at places like
Hedge Funds venture Capital firms and private Equity firms now the role of investor relations people are essentially to communicate with investors especially during times of Fundraising there is a lot of work that actually needs to
be done if you’re a private Equity fund raising a new fund you need to go on a road show to talk to a bunch of different investors create lots of marketing materials in order to convince them you also have to manage the payments that come in as well as update them as the fund
progresses so a lot of people that end up in these investor relations or biz dev roles at these funds actually have Investment Banking backgrounds because you need to understand how the Capital #1a73e8; text-decoration: none;">Markets work you need to understand how private Equity and Hedge Funds work as well as what investors are looking for and these roles tend to be a lot more survivable than those on the investment team because there’s not a
concept of live deal mode and there are fewer short sprints generally so if you do want to work on the buy side still but you don’t want the same level of intensity and the same level of grind then maybe biz dev or ir rolls are a good place to look i think a big pro here is that you actually
get to interface a lot more with top investors around the world you know if you’re on the deal team as a private Equity person you’re not actually talking to a ton of investors it’s not really your job as an associate even up to i would say the vp level but if you
are on the ir team you’ll get to talk to investors from around the world and understand how the flow of money really works another pro i would say is you’re learning a completely different skill set you get to understand how investors think about your asset class why do they pick one
private Equity firm over the other so you are really thinking more about fund metrics as well as Asset Management as a whole and like the other roles i think the primary con here is earnings potential tends to be a little bit lower people on the business side
typically get a little bit less carry than those on the deal team so if you prefer the selling mindset or working with clients i think it does make a lot of sense to transition to a biz dev role and i’ve seen a lot of people in mid-level as well as senior level private Equity
transition to biz dev so it is true that a lot of people stay laser focused on Investment Banking and private Equity due to how much you can get paid as well as the prestige but if you’re looking for a better work-life balance there are definitely great roles
in Finance that do exist now if you’re still interested in recruiting for private Equity you can check out the course on our website which is going to
teach you how to build models as well as do case studies required for the interview so this and i will see you in the next one
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Watching this as I’m doing a pitch and a model after pulling all nighters as an IB analyst. There is hope!!!! (2-5 years from now). Ok back to work
The reality is unless you work in goverment sector, finance and work life balance doesn't go along together. Accept that.
I'm 54 and my wife and I are VERY worried about our future, gas and food prices rising daily. We have had our savings dwindle with the cost of living into the stratosphere, and we are finding it impossible to replace them. We can get by, but can't seem to get ahead. My condolences to anyone retiring in this crisis, 30 years nonstop just for a crooked system to take all you worked for.
What is a “Biz Dev” role? Like what is another name for that sort of job??
Hi Matt, from a South Asian Country, currently have experience in Supply Chain. Can I think of changing career to finance at 30 years old?
Pensions and endowments are a very interesting places to work. From my experience in the sector you get far more exposure to different asset classes and at a junior level you'll likely be working across most classes. It is hard to find a geographic specific job sometimes as they are very lean and recruit for new positions rarely. Advisory and research consulting for pensions is another great option with more concentrated jobs (names like Cambridge Associates, stepstone and Hamilton Lane).
Thought's on Commercial Bankings? Thanks for these vids!
Love this!!
People don’t talk enough about the importance of who the financiers behind buyside funds
Also huge benefit of working in IR is if you have an affinity for the underlying business (work gets alot more fun if you love Ferrari and you can’t stop raving about the defensibility of the brand)
Dude, the discovery album scored you major homie points in my book.
How do you feel about wealth management/private banking?
Hi Matt. Thank you for the videos! What do you think of DCM? Work/life balance possible? And what are the hours like typically?
Funny how some people blame their jobs, bosses, or companies when they have no work-life balance when in fact they should look in the mirror.
Can you please speak about / lmk your opinion on secondaries? Was surprised you didn’t include here. From what i can tell sounds like a solid lifestyle given no real diligence responsibility. Obviously lower “prestige” and real PE job experience. Comp takes a big hit too. But would be curious to know your thoughts
Hey man! have you made a video on hours of associates + in IB? if not do you think you can make a breakdown video?
A little bit off on the E&F and Pension space. These are the limited partners in private equity funds / hedge funds / etc. most of the job is underwriting fund investments, not making direct investments in companies. Another big portion of the role is portfolio construction – building a diversified roster of managers that usually takes on the risk profile of a 70/30 stock bond portfolio when it’s rolled up. Co-investment is by and large investing alongside managers and most offices do not do primary underwriting. You also are not able to invest alongside your pool of assets (you can with family offices).
your skin is great no homo
What would it be like to work as an Investment banker on a deal like Microsoft’s $68 billion acquisition
Great video! Thoughts/insights on strategic finance roles?
the IR team at my team works crazy hours especially around earnings
For the long-only funds, would add that although a bearish market makes it hard to generate returns, most markets still have specific sectors which will be up / uncorrelated with wider market
Hey Matt, do you have any insight into the potential of data science/big data in finance? I am considering doing data science as a dual degree at Ivey Business School, and I want to know the job scope in that overlap, especially in the fintech space? Thank you!